Amaic

“Let There Be Light!”
by
Damien F. Mackey
Preamble
Things must have quietened down considerably for me even to think of replying to Brett Palmer, or to doing some crossword puzzles (always the sign of a lull). That great song by the band Chicago comes to mind, 25 or 6 to 4, mainly for its words “Should I try to do some more …”:
Waiting for the break of day
Searching for something to say
Flashing lights against the sky
Giving up I close my eyes
Sitting cross-legged on the floor
25 or 6 to 4
Staring blindly into space
Getting up to splash my face
Wanting just to stay awake
Wondering how much I can take
Should I try to do some more
25 or 6 to 4
Feeling like I ought to sleep
Spinning room is sinking deep
Searching for something to say
Waiting for the break of day
25 or 6 to 4
25 or 6 to 4
Enjoy it: Chicago 25 or 6 to 4
In this case, “should I” bother, or “should I” not, “feeling like I ought to sleep”, “try to do some more”, “wondering how much I can take”, and reply to Brett Palmer’s article:
Paradise: Dead & Buried
I Mean It This Time Folks. My Final Reply to Damien Mackey and the Four Rivers of Eden
Brett Palmer, © 2008?
http://www.thebibleskeptic.com/paradise4.html
And should I do this on Brett’s terms, constrained by his “five points”?:
“… For me to respond to Damien in the future, here are the points he’ll need to answer:
1.) How a flood, global or localized, which Genesis 6:13 states destroyed the earth along with all flesh nonetheless left the rivers of Eden intact (at least up until 200 BCE for “Pishon”).
2.) Find, don’t just speculate about, the actual “un-named source-river” that is claimed to have fed the four named rivers of Eden.
3.) Give overwhelming evidence, complete with peer-reviewed journal entries, that mainstream geochronology and dating methods are incorrect.
4.) Give overwhelming evidence (include fossil remains as well as DNA evidence), complete with peer-reviewed journal entries, that the human species is only c. 6,000 years old and had its origin in the Near East.
5.) Give overwhelming evidence, complete with peer-reviewed journal entries, that mainstream archaeology is wrong about Egyptian chronology.
Answering these five points (and all five points) would be sufficient enough for me to take another look at Damien’s musings. I think, however, you see why I’m confident to call this “my last entry in this saga.”
No to the “five points”, I say.
The great Jewish heroine, Judith, was appalled when her fellow townspeople had opted to yield their city of Bethulia (modern Mithilia, Mesilieh) to the Assyrians within five days if God hadn’t delivered them by then (Judith 8:9-11). Presuming to put time limitations upon a God who transcends time. But, since the Bethulians had bound themselves by oaths, Judith was now constrained to work within that time limit of five days.
But I am not bound to Brett’s “five” by any oaths, and certainly, like Judith, I am not bound to the “five” by any inclination. Whether or not I address any of these points incidentally in the course of this article will only be realised at the end.
For those interested in my argument that the Book of Judith is a real history of actual events, see Volume 2 of my university thesis, A Revised History of the Era of King Hezekiah of Judah and its Background. This argument impressed two international examiners (from the US and Cambridge Uni, UK), who thought that it deserved to be published. Full thesis accessible at: http://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/handle/2123/5973
Now, to clear up some of Brett’s misconceptions.
Brett Got These Wrong
A. My Being a ‘Creationist’
Brett has “a soft spot for these guys”, meaning “creationists”, and including me. That is nice. However, I am not one of them inasmuch as I have actually undermined, on the Net – as unbiblical – two major foundations of Creationism as held by these sola scriptura people, and upon which they have built up their multi-million dollar evangelical empire: namely:
(i) the idea that the Genesis Flood was global, and that
(ii) Genesis 1 is recording that God created the heavens and the earth during six days.
According to Brett: “It is clear from the Scriptures that Yahweh was remaking the planet he originally formed in the first six days of creation. But, like most apologists who have a cherished belief to defend, Damien does not want to admit the obvious if it causes him to admit the source of these beliefs—the Bible—contradicts itself”. Or, more specifically:
Likewise, as a Young Earth creationist, Damien likely rejects evolution as a legitimate scientific theory and probably believes all creatures were specially created by an omnipotent, supernatural being in the span of a mere 24 hours, just as described in the first chapter of Genesis. Such creation included not only the fish of the sea (Gen. 1:21), the birds of the air (Gen. 1:20) and the cattle in the field (Gen. 1:24) spontaneously bursting into existence at the same time, but that this creation included such creatures as Dickinsonia, Tiktaalik, the ichthyosaurs, Monoclonius, Plateosaur and other dinosaurs as well as early mammals like the Hyaenodonts and Miacids known only to us through the fossil record. And all these animals, following Day Six in creation, would have lived happily side-by-side in the Paradise known as Eden with the first two humans of our species. ….
Well, I don’t entirely. Anyone who has actually bothered to read my “Book of Origins” article (http://genesis1.blog.com/2008/04/21/book-of-origins/) will know that I do not subscribe at all to a work of creation lasting for Six Days.
Further, in my article,
Just How ‘Global’
Was The Great Flood?
(Genesis 6-9)
http://genesisflood.blog.com/2008/04/07/just-how-global-was-the-great-flood/
I made it very clear that, whilst I greatly admire much of what the Creationists have done (to use Brett’s words I have “a soft spot for these guys”), I can also see value in some of the biblical interpretations of their critics, such as professor Ian Plimer, whose account of the Flood and the Ark (in Telling Lies for God – Reason vs Creationism, Random House, Sydney, 1994) I would consider to be rather closer to (though definitely not the same as) my own Flood and Ark model than are the standard Creationist versions of these. And, in this sort of context, I made this observation:
… there sometimes occurs the ironical – even humorous – situation whereby agnostic scientists will occasionally call for a more enlightened exegetical approach to Genesis than do the upholders of the biblical tradition; whereas the latter will at times arrive at a more accurate interpretation of the scientific data than do their scientific opponents.
So, whilst I appreciate that Brett may have “a soft spot” for believers, I do not appreciate those many ‘soft spots’ that he himself has in his thinking with its misconceptions, in his assessments, and in his logic. So, in this regard, my leading sentiment is one more of pity than a ‘soft’ fondness. But nor am I surprised that an assertive skeptic such as he should be in an habitual state of ‘soft’, woolly thinking. Ought not the logical position in Brett’s case be to assert nothing, to insist upon nothing, to be certain about nothing? Spy Johnny English (aka Mr. Bean) played the part truly: “He Knows No Fear. He Knows No Danger. He Knows Nothing”.
I don’t believe myself to be certain that Genesis 2 and 6 contradict one another, I am certain of it! There he goes.
“What is truth?” (John 18:38), asks Brett, borrowing the words of that archetypal skeptic and superstitious worshipper of idols, Pontius Pilate, when confronted by Truth incarnate. “I’m certain that “truth” is different for skeptics than it is for Christian apologists”, he answers. Now here is Brett the skeptic again expressing a certainty. You mustn’t say that, Brett! That is not a logical skeptical position. Skeptics ought not to be certain about anything! You are exceeding your skeptical portfolio. But, he insists: This isn’t about being a nice guy or a barbarian. It’s searching for truth. And, in the search for truth, the path is littered with faulty, out-dated, disproved and false theses from other people. Such is the nature of the advancement of knowledge. Conservatives like Mackey often get streamrolled by such advancement and wail while being run over, but their failed theses must make way for newer and better understandings of our world, regardless of the pain it causes them. That is not my take at all, of course. In my opinion, Brett has an a priori agenda, with a massive predisposition against the supernatural, that must be pursued at all costs, blithely ignoring the data of palaeontology and archaeology and geology and genetics. Whereas his worldview is continually being demolished by the findings of science, I shall be arguing (see section below, Science Catching up with the Bible) that mine has the capacity even to anticipate the science that is confirming it. Truth is harmonious, be it theological, philosophical or scientific truth. But it cannot be yoked to a pseudo science, to superstition, or to fairy tales.
For, it is the nature of science to be self-critical and self-correcting, he writes. Well, then, why not start by ‘correcting’ – I strongly recommend ‘correcting by dumping’ – all of that evolutionary pseudo-science and pseudo-philosophy. Brett is proud to mention that I have raised my children to cherish one word above all others in the English language; that word is “why.” One can only hope that his kids have sense enough to apply that question to their father’s pseudo-science. ‘Why’, dad, did you have to cling to that ridiculous scheme of things? Better rather to teach them: ‘Say, what …?’, ‘You can’t be serious, man!’, and ‘Get real!’
The same sort of rigid predisposition against anything to do with the supernatural has also its counterpart in the entrenched mentality of the typical (though with some notable exceptions) archaeologist of the Middle East today, to erase, or to misinterpret, all traces of biblical evidence. In this regard, we read at http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_rocks_cry_out.html:
The Rocks Cry Out
The Historical Evidence For the Bible
From Grant R. Jeffrey’s The Handwriting of God
The last one hundred and fifty years of archeological exploration in the Middle East has provided students of the Bible with an unparalleled abundance of evidence confirming thousands of detailed historical statements found in both the Old and New Testaments. In this chapter, we will explore a small fraction of the powerful historical and archeological evidence that has been discovered in Israel and throughout the Middle East that throws new light on the pivotal events that have shaped our modern Western culture.
….
Professor Millar Burrows of Yale University discussed the findings of recent archeological digs and their impact on the views of the critics of biblical historical accuracy: “Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. It has shown in a number of instances that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artificial schemes of historical development” …. Dr. Burrows explained the underlying assumptions that creates this climate of rejection of the Scriptures: “The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural.” His comments underline the fundamental role of presuppositions in the minds of all intellectuals as they approach any area of study. If you approach the Bible determined to reject any of the statements that reveal the prophetic and supernatural nature of God’s revelation to man, then you have determined your negative conclusions before commencing your study. ….
Biblical minimising of this nature is especially prevalent amongst the Israeli archaeologists of the Israel Finkelstein school. As Professor Gunnar Heinsohn of the University of Bremen has noted regarding the minimising activity of “Israeli scholars”, though wrongly attributing the problem to “biblical chronology: “The worst enemy of Israel’s history, indeed, is biblical chronology. …. Whoever puts his faith in it, cannot help but be tempted to extinguish Ancient Israel from the map. This is not only true for anti-Semites and anti-Zionists and neutral researchers, but even for the best and the brightest of Israeli scholars” (The Restoration of Ancient History, 1988).
But, whilst these archaeologists are denying all trace of the Exodus; of the wandering Israelites and the Conquest of Canaan; of David and Solomon, etc., always pointing to the wrong stratigraphical level (e.g. trying to discover the empire of David and Solomon in the impoverished, for Israel, Iron Age era of the Assyrian invasions) – while metaphorically ‘standing in’ the very strata in which these histories are embedded – others, using a more accurate chronological matrix are finding the appropriate data hand over fist. In a recent National Geographic article, “Kings of Controversy” by Robert Draper (David and Solomon, December 2010), Finkelstein is quoted as saying (p. 85): “Now Solomon. I think I destroyed Solomon, so to speak. Sorry for that!” What Finkelstein ought to be “sorry” for, however, is not the wise King Solomon – who continues to prevail as a real historical and archaeological entity, despite the confused utterances of the current crop of Israeli archaeologists – but for Finkelstein’s own folly in clinging to a hopelessly out-dated and bankrupt archaeological system that causes him to point every time to the wrong stratigraphical level for Israel’s Old Testament history, thereby doggedly “extinguish[ing] Ancient Israel from the map”. But the main thrust of the National Geographic article is that archaeologist Eilat Mazar is making immense discoveries regarding King David’s Jerusalem. And she is also predicting “The End of Finkelstein’s School”. See my recent articles on this at: http://amaic-kingdavid.blogspot.com/
And indeed “The End of Finkelstein’s School” will inevitably come about, just as will “The End of Darwin’s School”. But not yet, Finkelstein’s absurd system having recently been propped up by a four million dollar grant. And as far as Darwinism goes, we know how ruthlessly the establishment deals with any academics who dare dissent from its ridiculous tenets. In short, they lose their jobs.
In the minds of the wise and the prophetic, the real seekers after Truth, it is already the end of these schools. The prophet Jeremiah saw the end of Jerusalem long before any of his contemporaries did.
In my earlier university thesis, The Sothic Star Theory of the Egyptian Calendar, now accessible at (http://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/handle/2123/1632), I, building upon the exemplary work of others (conventionalists and revisionists alike), scrutinised the very basis (documents and calendars) upon which the monolith of conventional Egyptian chronology has been erected – to which chronology Palestine and other nations are tied – and found it to be entirely wanting. This thesis, which I would think hardly ever, if at all, refers to the Bible, was passed by examiners on both its historical and – please note – its scientific (mainly astronomical) evidence. An examiner said that: “It is important to show the weaknesses or errors in our understanding of a theory in order to leave our minds free to think of a more acceptable alternative” [emphasis added]. According to my fast developing alternative, the mid 18th dynasty of Egypt needs to be lowered in time by 500 years (as revisionists before me have recognised), with the presumably C14th BC Akhnaton and Nefertiti, for instance, becoming contemporaneous with the C9th BC biblical Ahab and Jezebel.
And the era of David and Solomon of c. 1000 BC becomes greatly expanded when the c. 1800 BC era of Shamsi-Adad I, Zimri-Lim and Hammurabi is slid down to synchronise with it (this further complementing the view of revisionists that the early 18th dynasty of Egypt of the C15th BC should be re-aligned with David and Solomon). It is a Late Bronze Age scenario, not Finkelstein’s Iron Age. Needless to say, all of this would be quite unthinkable for the likes of Israel Finkelstein, and completely incomprehensible to him, he ‘sitting’ there on his unimpressive Iron Age pile and marvelling that he has managed to ‘dethrone Solomon’ (and probably usurped his throne as well).
Now, AD chronology needs to undergo a similarly rigorous scrutiny together with an underlying revised stratigraphy. Just as the revision of ancient history has erased the artificial ‘Dark Ages’ of c. 1200-700 BC, so now are scholars seriously investigating the ‘Dark Ages’ of 600-900 AD, and are finding a great dearth of appropriate archaeology – even for one as notable as Charlemagne himself.
The above-mentioned Biblical minimising mind-set archaeologist marvels, too, when he digs into New Testament era strata and finds at first no evidence for, e.g., the pool of Siloam. The New Testament is therefore wrong, he claims. It does not match the specific biblical description of it. This throws further doubt upon the existence of Jesus Christ. The nay-sayers rejoice, finding themselves fully justified. But, whoops, someone then digs a bit deeper, and, whoa, this is found (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6750670/ns/technology_and_science-science/):
Archaeologists identify traces of ‘miracle’ pool
Siloam Pool was where Jesus was said to cure blind
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JERUSALEM — Archaeologists in Jerusalem have identified the remains of the Siloam Pool, where the Bible says Jesus miraculously cured a man’s blindness, researchers said Thursday — underlining a stirring link between the works of Jesus and ancient Jewish rituals.
The archaeologists are slowly digging out the pool, where water still runs, tucked away in what is now the Arab neighborhood of Silwan. It was used by Jews for ritual immersions for about 120 years until the year 70, when the Romans destroyed the Jewish Temple.
Many of Jesus’ acts are directly linked to Jewish rituals, and the miracle of the blind man is an example. According to the Bible, the man was undergoing ritual immersion in the Siloam Pool for entry into the Temple compound, and Jesus used the occasion to cure his blindness.
’100 percent sure’
In the last four months, archaeologists have revealed the pool’s 50-yard (50-meter) length and a channel that brought in water from the Silwan spring. In the past week, a section of stone road that led from the pool to the Jewish Temple was uncovered. ….
…. “The moment that we revealed and discovered this four months ago, we were 100 percent sure it was the Siloam Pool,” said archaeologist Eli Shukron. ….
Perhaps Jesus and the Apostles were there after all.
B. My View on Moses and the Authorship of Genesis
Brett has again completely misinterpreted me on Moses and the latter’s contribution to the Book of Genesis. “Damien wants readers to believe that when God inspired the text of Genesis 6:13 to be written –in his estimation by the venerable Moses himself …”. From where does Brett get these notions? Again, if one bothers to read my article, Tracing the Hand of Moses in Genesis (http://www.specialtyinterests.net/Tracing_the_hand_of_moses_in_genesis.html), one will learn that I attribute to Mosaïc authorship very little of this biblical document, Genesis: basically, just a few clarifying notes for the people of Israel, but also an Egyptian flavour. I shall come back to this. The Book of Genesis is clearly a sequence of pre-Moses patriarchal histories recorded on tablets, complete with catch-lines, parallelisms, and all of the features well known to archaeologists of ancient scribal methods in the case where written tablets are concerned. Each recorder then signed off his history with a colophon, another well-known literary feature, in the case of Genesis, a toledôt (or “generations”): “These are the generations of Noah” (6:9). “These are the generations of Noah’s sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth” (10:1). And, after the separation of the sons at Babel, simply: “These are the generations of Shem” (11:10). Abraham’s family history (or toledôt) is recorded, not by he, but by his two pre-eminent sons, Ishmael (25:12) and Isaac (25:19).
Now, what editor Moses will do will be to take geographical names in, for example, Abraham’s family history and update these for the Israelites about to enter their new land (the Promised Land). Thus Genesis 14:2 “Bela (that is, Zoar)”; 14:3 “Valley of Siddim (that is, the Dead Sea)”; 14:7 “En-mishpat (that is, Kadesh)”. Moses’s clarifying additions being usefully given in brackets.
The Valley of Siddim was, in Abraham’s day, “full of bitumen pits” (14:10). By the time that the wandering Israelites (archaeologically the Middle Bronze I people) had arrived in the region, centuries later, led by Moses, the Valley of Siddim had undergone the catastrophe of Sodom and Gomorrah (19:24), and had become the Dead Sea.
We can get some idea of the mayhem from the recent devastation of the NZ city, Christchurch. Man, with all of his much-vaunted technology, is helpless in the face of natural disasters. And this technology, too, can look pretty ordinary when it is all reduced to rubble. This is not meant to be any sort of judgment on poor Christchurch, by the way, which deserves our utmost sympathy and whatever help we may be able to provide for it. But, with a series of major disasters recently occurring in the Oceania region it might be timely to recall that general warning by Jesus Christ regarding catastrophism which still stands: ‘Do you think that they were more guilty than all the [others] because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish’ (Luke 13:1). Repentance is the foundational message of the Gospels.
But, getting back to the Dead Sea and the Israelites now on the borders of the Promised Land, Moses now needed to advise his people of such alterations to the geography, to the topography, or to the toponymy, of their Abrahamic history, since they were now going to occupy the very land in which Abraham himself had once dwelt. This is how instructive the true literary structures of the Book of Genesis can be.
My ‘Toledoth’ articles have been well read on the Internet and have elicited much comment. Just type in Toledoths or Toledoth at Google. Or type in Brilliant article by Damien F. Mackey …, and you will get a first page that looks like this, with some extras thrown in:
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Finally, by way of summarising this section, Brett Got These Wrong, I repeat that often Brett’s arguments are aimed at the “creationists” for whom he has “a soft spot”, but they do not properly apply to me.
Science Catching up with the Bible
First Man in Israel
Were a person to cease believing that the Scriptures were the inspired Word of God, though still wishing to remain informed, he/she could apparently do nothing better than to read diligently the Book of Genesis to learn to where scientific research will lead in the future. Take the place of man’s origins, for instance. You see, Brett is still looking for early man in Africa,
The story [about Eden] has no real historical foundation other than the naming of some of the major geographical features of the time. The story sets the birthplace of humanity somewhere in Near East. Modern research, by contrast, has evidence that the first modern human population evolved somewhere in eastern Africa ….
but the palaeontologists have recently moved on. They have now finally caught up with my view, long held from reading Genesis 2 – {Brett’s not to be believed fable story of Eden, “The story has no real historical foundation other than the naming of some of the major geographical features of the time”} - that mankind originated in the midst of the Fertile Crescent, in Israel. I have always thought that it was in Israel, not Africa, and I had considered that geneticists and palaeontologists had only needed to combine their ‘mitochondrial Eve’ (and ‘Y-chromosomal Adam’, preferably ‘Noah’?) – {despite Brett’s I simply cannot … buy into a story … with … two people as the founders of the entire human species (Gen. 3:20)} – with any new evidence for first origins in Israel, and they would have the right (i.e., biblically-conforming) matrix. They would have arrived at Genesis 1-11. And now they have done just that, by locating first man in Israel:
- AP – Mon Dec 27, 6:13 PM ET
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Archaeologists have discovered evidence that places Homo sapiens in Israel as early as 400,000 years ago — the earliest evidence for the existence of modern humans anywhere in the world.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101230123554.htm
Findings from TAU archaeologists locate remains of Homo sapiens in Israel 400,000 years ago It has long been believed that modern man emerged from the continent of Africa 200,000 years ago. Now Tel Aviv University archaeologists have uncovered evidence that Homo sapiens roamed the land now called Israel as early as 400,000 years ago — the earliest evidence for the existence of modern man …
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1972097/was_israel_the_birthplace_of_modern_man/index.html?source=r_science
( American Friends of Tel Aviv University ) Tel Aviv University archaeologists have discovered evidence that places Homo sapiens in Israel as early as 400,000 years ago — the earliest evidence for the existence of modern man anywhere in the world.
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Professor Avi Gopher
Professor Avi Gopher, left, and Dr. Ran Barkai from the Institute of Archeology of Tel Aviv University inspect an archeological site where ancient teeth were discovered near Rosh Haain, central Israel, Monday, Dec. 27, 2010. Israeli archaeologists say they may have found the earliest evidence yet for the existence of modern man. A Tel Aviv University team excavating a cave in central Israel said Monday they found teeth about 400,000 years old. The earliest Homo sapiens remains found until now are half as old. Archaeologist Avi Gopher says further research is needed to solidify the claim. If it does, he says, ‘this changes the whole picture of evolution.’… Read more » ….
“This changes the whole picture of evolution”, Professor Gopher says. Hey, wait a minute, I thought that evolution was fixed and dogmatically certain. Only joking! That’s only what the skeptics try to tell us. Those who admit of no absolutes and no certainties are absolutely certain about the absolute certainty of evolution.
Brett may be critical of my having referred back to G.K. Chesterton,
… why not find someone a bit more contemporary; someone familiar with the skepticism of the 21st century; someone who knows modern skepticism is informed by the advances made in science over the last century? Is there some sort of added validity if we read the opinions of an apologist from 100 years ago? Regardless, however, I fail to see the authority that someone like G.K. ….
Be that as it may, it still remains that Chesterton is the one who has made the most pertinent observations of all about evolutionists and their missing link: “The evolutionists seem to know everything about the missing link except that it is missing.” G.K. Chesterton. … (Final Conflict).
He also said: “All we know of the Missing Link is that he is missing – and he won’t be missed either.” There is indeed a missing link, but as Chesterton also noted, “If there were a missing link in a real chain, it would not be a chain at all”. ….
And that is the problem for the evolutionists with this whole particular paradigm of theirs. Their biological chain is seriously incomplete. The same applies to their geological ‘chain’. The Geological Column does not exist anywhere in the world as a complete entity. It is purely artificial.
Who would want to follow a ‘science’ like that, riddled as it is with so many holes? It seems that Brett would: Modern science is a reliable source of knowledge. That is why I feel more assured by its findings than I do those of a committed creationist. Thus, while Brett prides himself on his having rationality at the basis of all of his science (his “common rationality”), the fact is that he is driven by an a priori belief system. He puts it in the words of a creationist criticism of him as: “Oh! You have an epistemological bias! You approach everything a priori with naturalism!” And so there is an ironical ‘mirror psychology’ in his assertion: Accepting the historical claim of the Eden story doesn’t begin and end with accepting a physical location for a garden bisected by an ancient river. It means accepting a whole host of improbabilities standing behind that story, all of which accumulate into something impossible to accept if one’s critical faculties are not stunted by the desire for belief. But that is just what Brett is like! And so is this further bit of ‘mirroring’: Tapestry? Seems to me that Damien has constructed something more akin to a garish quilt. What he has is one ad hoc piece of jerry-rigged apologetic duct taped to another ad hoc piece of apologetic without regard for the plausibility of the base argument. His “quilt” is sewn from many different, unrelated parts until they begin to form a “whole” that is appreciated only by the apologist who doesn’t mind swatches of red and purple polka-dots next to swatches of green and silver stripes and orange paisley prints. So long as the finished product does a good job of insulating the creator from the harsh coldness of brute reality—that the story of Eden and the Flood are both fables and fictions– then the quilt has done its job. This desperate ‘jerry-rigging’, sewn from many different, unrelated parts until they begin to form a “whole”, reads rather like the Fossil Record and the Geological Column.
Brett likes to emphasise that I am anti science. I am not at all. I am anti pseudo science. It’s just that I baulk at fairy tales and science fiction masquerading as science. Evidence exists above that Damien Mackey has a motivation beyond the quest for unbiased truth when he criticizes scientific methods. Science isn’t interested in pragmatism. Scientific theories rise and fall upon the merits of their explanatory power, and upon nothing else. If a scientific theory has explanatory power one day, but subsequent research exposes weaknesses in that theory (science is nothing if not self-correcting), it is the mark of a robust and tireless science for that theory to either be altered in the light of this new research or for that theory to be abandoned altogether. Now all of that sounds eminently reasonable to me. All that remains therefore is for Brett to practice what he preaches. He, despite all of his apologetical protests (Can we falsify modern scientific evolution theory? Of course we can. All we need to do is find fossilized remains of a modern human inside the stomach cavity of something like a Tyrannosaurus rex. If we find evidence of Dimetrodons walking the tidal plains of the early Cambrian that would suffice as well. However, to date, no such falsifying evidence has ever been found), comes across as being quite incapable of shifting from his rigid position. Even if, as in the case of Pontius Pilate, truth is staring him right in the face. Just try the polystrate trees. Evolutionists just cannot handle this data. Why? Well, because it is as potent a testimony to the falsity of evolutionary dating as are Brett’s two examples above of potentially falsifying data. Brett, like others, impatiently dismisses the polystrate phenomenon without properly tackling it. This assertion is so packed with nonsense that I’m not really sure what Damien is trying to say. Is he suggesting he knows of a tree that has been found actively growing through sedimentary layers, each layer measured to be a million or more years different than its neighbor? I’m just not certain what he’s trying to argue. Usually, the subject of “polystrate” fossils is brought up by creationists as “evidence” for Noah’s global flood; but, as will be discussed shortly, Damien doesn’t buy into a worldwide flood for Noah, but a much more isolated catastrophe. The “polystrate” trees [5] in Nova Scotia then, for example, would be of little interest to Damien unless he’s trying to use these features to argue some other point. I think that point may be that these so-called “polystrate” fossils are an example that the mainstream scientific methods for dating the sedimentary layers are flawed. Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying. If that is the case, he’s going to need to present some sort of evidence of his claim as I am not aware of any such tree “growing through” sedimentary layers where each layer is dated to millions of years separate from another. Completely dismissive of polytrates, too, is professor Ian Plimer in his Telling Lies for God. And so was a geologist whom I approached at the University of Sydney, who knew nothing about the subject, and who had no answer when I explained it to him. And no interest. Clearly, this type of ignoring of real data does not possess that mark of a robust and tireless science for that theory to either be altered in the light of this new research or for that theory to be abandoned altogether, as described by Brett, who adds:
To be sure, creationists have claimed that such evidence exists. They’ve claimed to have found human footprints alongside dinosaur tracks, for example. Such claims, however, have been debunked. [2] Some claim to have found a modern hammer in rock believed to be millions of years old. Again, the claim is a false one. [3] Nonetheless, science is still open to the possibility that something like human remains alongside dinosaur remains, or modern artifacts embedded in ancient strata could one day be found and falsify current theories. This is a potential totally lost on Young Earth creationists like Damien Mackey. Not true. I have given examples above of the falsifying of current theories, but these make no difference to obstinate evolutionists.
Again, what about the explosive polystrate data?
The Dinosaurs
And now the dinosaurs are being re-considered somewhat as well (read on). People such as Brett can offer up a whole range of exotic dinosaurs and anthropods that supposedly lived several millions of years apart. … Dickinsonia, Tiktaalik, the ichthyosaurs, Monoclonius, Plateosaur and other dinosaurs as well as early mammals like the Hyaenodonts and Miacids …. Many of these, one suspects have been, like the concoctions of the witches of Macbeth:
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg and howlet’s wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble,
pieced together from bits of pig’s tooth, whale bones, ostrich toenails and human vestiges. For, just while news was breaking about first man hailing from Israel, I read that Australia’s only known large carnivorous theropod dinosaur may not even have been that after all (but was probably an overgrown emu):
Australia’s biggest carnivorous dinosaur forced to take a walk
…. Doubt has been cast over the only known piece of evidence that large carnivorous dinosaurs once roamed Australia, following new research by The University of Queensland (UQ).
A set of footprints at Lark Quarry Conservation Park, south of Winton in central-western Queensland, was the only evidence that Australia was once home to large carnivorous theropod dinosaurs as big as Tyrannosaurus rex or Allosaurus fragilus.
For the past 30 years, these footprints were believed to show a large meat-eating dinosaur chasing a herd of smaller dinosaurs. The site is world famous as it is also thought to be the only example of a dinosaur stampede.
However, a new study by palaeontologists from UQ has shown that these tracks probably don’t belong to a large theropod at all, and were most likely left by a large herbivore akin to Muttaburrasaurus.
UQ’s School of Biological Sciences PhD candidate, Anthony Romilio, led the research, which has been published in the latest issue of the journal Cretaceous Research.
Mr Romilio made the discovery after comparing the lengths and other characteristic measurements of the famous footprints.
“Making the distinction between the three-toed tracks of herbivorous ornithopod dinosaurs and the three-toed tracks of carnivorous theropod dinosaurs can be quite difficult,” Mr Romilio said. “This confusion has lead to numerous ornithopod dinosaur tracks being incorrectly identified as belonging to theropods, and vice versa”. ….
For further information about dinosaur research at UQ, visit www.uq.edu.au/dinosaurs
Brett wrote re dinosaurs:
Of course, the modern scientific theory of evolution has a different idea of what occurred in our earth’s past. Via many different lines of evidence, scientific theories demonstrate that the earth is very old and that life gradually evolved over eons. Creatures like Tiktaalik once made a living in shallow coastal waters but did not have to worry about being plucked from the shallows by an ichthyosaur or a hungry Flintstonian fisherman. The fossil record shows these creatures –early “fishapods”, tetrapods, dinosaurs and human beings … [Dickinsonia … Monoclonius, Plateosaur and other dinosaurs as well as early mammals like the Hyaenodonts and Miacids] —lived millions of years apart from one another.
But is this actually correct now in the light of the Lark Quarry dinosauric misinterpretation?
Could Brett’s Tiktaalik actually turn out to be an ancient clock, or a Doctor Who Daalik (Dalek); his Flintsonian fisherman be a primitive Fred Flinstone and Barney Rubble, and the Muttaburrasaurus simply be Buttasaurus Face? And what the Dickens is this Dickinsonia? Does it team up with uncle Monocle-onius, or mon oncle, to purchase a monocle, and then, after feeding on a tasty plate of Plateosaur, hire an Orthodontist (Hyaenodonts), who duly removes from its mouth any harmful Mi-acids?
In a TV documentary on the dinosaurs of South America I recall the astonishment expressed by the palaeontologists with the fact that there is hardly any evidence, if any, for an intermediary stage of dinosaur leading to the largest ones. Is this yet another break in the chain, yet another missing link? And will eventually even the supposed large dinosaurs of South America be found to have been something lesser, just as in the case of Queensland’s Lark Quarry track-maker? Or did a selective meteorite simply wipe out all of the intermediary ones, leaving just an ‘Adam and Eve’ pair to generate those presumed later larger ones?
From all of my readings on palaeontology and archaeology in regard to Israel (perhaps even the Fertile Crescent as a whole) I do not recall ever having read about large land dinosaurs there. I am happy to be corrected on this.
I am by no means intending to assert that dinosaurs did not exist anywhere. But, by the same token, they do seem to me to be greatly overrated, over-numbered, and over sized – perhaps some of these were, for example, beached sea monsters.
I, also having a ‘soft spot’ for the ‘creationists’, wince when I see them standing proudly beside Ark models that include dinosaurs. And some Bible-believers can also claim that such large creatures are referred to in the Bible, for example in the Book of Job, with mention of the monsters, Behemoth (Job 40:15-24) and Leviathan (Job 41:1-34). As those in the know have shown, however, the Book of Job is saturated with Egyptianisms – just as is the Book of Genesis – indicating an author/editor who had spent much time in Egypt (as Moses certainly had – but I have also argued this for Job as a long time resident in Egypt) (http://bookofjob-amaic.blogspot.com). Now the word Behemoth is undoubtedly a Hebrew attempt to render the Egyptian, p-ehe-mau, ‘hippopotamus’, probably not found in Palestine. Leviathan is obviously, from its description, the crocodile. These fierce creatures were both natives of the Nile in Egypt. They were not dinosaurs.
But as wise commentators have also discerned down through the centuries, these Job-ian creatures also symbolically denoted demons. The hippopotamus and the crocodile were often depicted together by Egyptian artists as savage and vengeful demon-idols. The Egyptians, unlike modern skeptics, believed in the powers of darkness and worshipped them. In this they were philosophically advanced at least over the skeptics, then and now, who can believe in nothing beyond matter. Skeptics therefore cannot explain psychic phenomena, miracles, and diabolical possessions – in some cases of which even physically small people have been known to resist the efforts of six strong men to hold them down.
That the supernatural and preternatural are factors in the Book of Genesis, and indeed throughout the entire Bible – with cases of demonic possession being recorded in the New Testament – I find quite in keeping with reality in all of its totality, with the perennial philosophy (philosophia perennis) of humankind. The typical modern-day ‘philosopher’, due to his lack of courage to search for the whole truth, but preferring only bits of truth, lives on a flatlining level of existence, admitting nothing vertical or transcendent, nothing to relieve the bitter passions.
Professor Richard Weaver in his classical book of philosophy, Ideas Have Consequences, wrote (http://www.nyx.net/~kbanker/chautauqua/consequences.html):
Like Macbeth, Western man made an evil decision, which has become the efficient and final cause of other evil decisions. Have we forgotten our encounter with the witches on the heath? It occurred in the late fourteenth century, and what the witches said to the protagonist of this drama was that man could realize himself more fully if he would only abandon his belief in the existence of transcendentals. The powers of darkness were working subtly, as always, and they couched this proposition in the seemingly innocent form of an attack upon universals [or absolutes]. The defeat of logical realism in the great medieval debate was the crucial event in the history of Western culture; from this flowed those acts which issue now in modern decadence. ….
Oppressed by matter, the typical modern-day ‘philosopher’ type is bored, tired and can even be suicidal. He is like those poor wretches in Plato’s Cave allegory, thinking himself to be ‘in the know’, but facing only shadows. His culture is one of death (Thanatos).
Someone once well described modern man as “that pathetic end product of a faked evolution”. I would accept that as a general observation only, and not to be applied to any particular individual. The fact is that man today (as always) is much in need of Light and Life. “Let There Be Light” (Genesis 1:3). It was Light and a civilising Culture that Jesus Christ, the true Philosopher King (“the Metaphysician par excellence”, according to St. Bonaventure), brought down to earth. “What has come into being in Him was life, and the life was the light of all people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it” (John 1:3-5). He brought Light and Salvation to those who had been seduced by the ancient Serpent, beginning with Adam and Eve. And here is the marvellous symmetry of God’s plan. Man was to be redeemed in the very region where man had fallen, what we now call Jerusalem, but what was once Eden/Paradise. Man had been created to live, but died. Jesus Christ, on the other hand, was the only man born to die. He died so that man might live.
This highly-paid-for work of salvation, Christ’s Passion and Death, accounts for the remarkable dignity of each human person.
Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. He is the Lord of all History. And his history, as recorded in the Bible, seems to be correcting the misconceptions of the palaeontolgists and the archaeologists who think themselves self sufficient.
“What is truth?” (John 18:38). Jesus Christ is. He is “the Way, and the Truth and the Life” (John 14:6). It is all about Him!
Based on all of the above, then, I can accept a Garden of Eden in the middle of the Fertile Crescent, with a supernatural deity in male form (Jesus Christ as the Word) who walks and talks as He often did when upon earth, “… the Word [who] was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him nothing came into being” (John 1:1, 2-3). And mitochondrial Eve and her male partner as the parents of the entire human race. And the devil taking possession of a lower creature, to deceive man and woman. All this occurring just a few thousand years ago in what is now Israel. Brett, of course, will assert the opposite: … let me say plainly that I do not believe the story of the Garden of Eden for other reasons beyond the disconnect between Genesis 2 and 6. I simply cannot, relying upon the same common rationality available to anyone who wishes to exercise it –and not just the skeptic—buy into a story complete with a supernatural male deity who walks and talks in a lush garden (who is the creator of all physical reality but apparently powerless to know when people are hiding from him in the bushes [Gen. 3:8-9]), two people as the founders of the entire human species (Gen. 3:20), a forbidden tree with magical fruit (Gen. 2:16-17) and talking reptile (Gen. 3:1), all taking place a mere few thousand years ago in an oasis somewhere in the Near East. ….
Peer Reviewing
One can in fact be quite prophetic when availing oneself of the Book of Genesis and the Scriptures in general. Though, due to the slow progress of research, the prophet (e.g. one who might insist that first man arose in Israel) can seem for a long time to be in the wrong and to be completely out of step with the scientific research of the day, when it is the latter that is actually lagging behind. And that is why Brett Palmer’s constant insistences on the need for “peer-reviewed” evidence can leave me a bit cold. E.g:
I am yet to find the assertion represented in any peer-reviewed journal …
What Damien is suggesting is that we need to make sure we only follow the marginal members of the community when –although their views have been rejected by their peers—their arguments help sustain cherished religious beliefs. Any port in the storm is better than the ones with peer-accepted, well-evidenced and tested views that are nonetheless at odds with Damien’s religious faith.
Give overwhelming evidence, complete with peer-reviewed journal entries, that mainstream geochronology and dating methods are incorrect. ….
I have had a lot to do with peers in academic research. I am not against peers per se. But peers to my mind can often be academics ‘peering’ over their shoulders to find out what the succeeding lecturer is going to say, and to make the necessary adjustments so as not to ‘appeer’ foolish. I have seen that happen. It occurred once, for instance, when Dr. Kenneth Kitchen visited the University of Sydney. There was a lot of peering going on. Peers can be people like Israel Finkelstein ‘the wise dethroner of King Solomon’. Or a peer can be a muddle-headed skeptic. But peers can also be enlightened and wise individuals. So, it really depends upon which peer is peering into one’s research to review it.
My suggestion is that you read and study the Book of Genesis and then you will be cutting edge informed and will not need to peer about or grope in the darkness. God said: “Let there be light; and there was light”.
It is hardly a case that I essentially dismiss science or scientific research, as according to Brett: … he also criticizes the very heart and soul of science which, I am fairly certain, he praises in many silent ways (such as taking medicine when ill or accessing the internet to post his musings …”. I actually love genuine science and scientific research because it eventually comes around to confirming the Truth, the Scriptures (palaeontology; archaeology; astronomy; genetics).
But I do not rate evolution as science. It is just a fairy tale for grown ups. Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins is married to an actress, Sarah “Lalla” Ward who became known from her appearances as Time Lady Romana in the British science fiction favourite, DR WHO. Rather fittingly, then, John Cornwell tells that “the encomiums on the dust-jacket [of The God Delusion] feature a line-up of writers in the realm of fantasy fiction” (Darwin’s Angel, p. 10). These people apparently watch a lot of science fiction and then think to tell us that that is what our world is like.
I personally do not mind sci-fi at all. And, yes, I have always been highly appreciative of the Internet. Though too, as any reasonable person would admit, there is a huge downside to our technological world in that it is producing many obese, troubled, suicidal, neurotic people, and much suffocating pollution, traffic congestion and hideous utilitarian architecture. Likewise the Internet can create its own host of sociological and health problems. And of course, people can be trapped inside Plato’s Cave, but still have their Internet, mobile phones and Xbox. As long as there is nothing there to admit of transcendentals. Technology is of course perfectly legitimate as part of God’s invitation to man to “subdue the earth” (Genesis 1:28). But there is much more to it than that. There is also the whole spiritual level, far transcending technology in importance. And modern man has made less than spectacular progress in discovering and attempting to come to grips with this vast region: God, angels, the soul, mind and will, salvation. Pope Benedict XVI put this right into perspective when he wrote in one of his books:
“While our maps of the earth have become more and more complete, man’s inner self has become increasingly terra incognita, an alien region, in spite of the fact that there are greater discoveries to be made there than in the visible universe”. The Pope, Seek That Which Is Above, p. 18.
This is the great tragedy of our times. Man who has been “made little less than a god, crowned with glory and honour” (Psalm 8:5), has devolved today into “that pathetic end product of a faked evolution”. The Devil has done his job thoroughly wherever human beings have let him. He has had the devil of a good time promoting his devilish doctrine of evolution to disguise his deviluting devolution of humanity “made in the image and likeness of God” (Genesis 1:26).
Blind Dating
There seems to be just too much ‘monkey business’ going on in the case of the ‘missing link’ and modern dating methods. Though Brett can assure us that: Modern dating methods are a well-evidenced form of acquiring knowledge. As Niles Eldredge noted in his book The Monkey Business,
We now have literally thousands of separate analyses using a wide variety of radiometric techniques. It is an interlocking, complex system of predictions and verified results –not a few crackpot samples with wildly varying results, as creationists would prefer to believe.
Furthermore, Donald Prothero writes in his book, Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters, regarding these “modern dating methods,”
Creationists don’t give scientists any credit for being skeptical and self-critical about their own data. But anyone who deals with geochronology knows that the dates are subject to constant scrutiny by multiple labs, and anything that is fishy is quickly challenged and rejected. The result is an extremely robust set of data, where multiple independent radioactive atomic systems (for example, potassium-argon, uranium-lead, and rubidium-strontium) are used on the same samples, so if any one of them is giving problems, it clearly can be thrown out. The creationists point to one or two examples of supposedly unreliable dates, but when three or more independent dating methods are run in different competing labs on the same rock and give the same answer, there is no chance that this is an accident. After nearly a century of analyses, with thousands of dates checked and rechecked like this, geologists are as confident about the reliability of radiometric dating as they are about any other field of science. The earth is about 4.6 billion years old; this is as much a fact as the observation that it is round! (p 77) ….
It all sounds hugely impressive. Hence I got a big shock this week when reading Steven Mithen’s After the Ice. A Global Human History 20,000 to 5000 BC (Weidenfeld & Nicholson 2003). The very first sentence, on the very first page, of Mithen’s very first chapter (p. 4), reads as follows: “Human history began in 50,000 BC. Or thereabouts. Perhaps 100,000 BC, but certainly not before”.
As if this were not bad enough, I then compared it with Professor Avi Gopher’s date for first man, 400,000:
Findings from TAU archaeologists locate remains of Homo sapiens in Israel 400,000 years ago It has long been believed that modern man emerged from the continent of Africa 200,000 years ago. Now Tel Aviv University archaeologists have uncovered evidence that Homo sapiens roamed the land now called Israel as early as 400,000 years ago — the earliest evidence for the existence of modern man …
400, 000 BC, 100,000 BC, 50,000 BC. Why not, then, about 4000 BC?
And yet Brett will take me to task for speaking of “Billions of years”? That’s an odd statement seeing as how the earth has only four of those billions if years in its history. I’ve never run across a study of the geologic column where one date given for a particular layer is dated “billions” of years differently than another. Notice that Damien offers no evidence of these accusations. He merely tells his audience that the dating methods are flawed and expects his readers simply to take his word for it. After all, the dating methods contradict his religious views so they must be false. Remember, nothing can falsify Damien’s cherished beliefs.
Brett, Brett, what are a few extra zeros between friends when you good people are so liberal in handing them out!
On p. 56 Mithen refers to the Dead Sea in the context of the 10,000 BC period. But the Genesis record provides us with signed, eye-witness accounts of the Palestinian geography and topography. The Dead Sea, we found, came into being some time after Abram (later Abraham) had entered the land during a period of famine. It should be possible for scientists to co-ordinate the two phenomena (a famine period and a catastrophe that turned a bituminous valley into a salty sea) and identify that era. By the time of the arrival of the Middle Bronze I Israelites, the region was occupied by the Dead Sea.
A Model from Bedrock to Abraham
The basic archaeological scenario of Mesopotamia and of the extremely ancient site of Jericho (Tell es-Sultan) proceeds from bedrock to early dwellings (considered Mesolithic and Neolithic in the case of Jericho), through more sophisticated levels. In Mesopotamia, these are the Cain-ite cities of the ‘Ubaid period, cities such as Uruk or Sumerian Unki (= Enoch); Eridu (= Irad); Larak (= perhaps Lamech); Badtibira, or ‘City of the Metal Worker’ (perhaps Tubal-cain’s); and Shuruppak, purported to have been the home of the Mesopotamian Noah.
‘Ubaidian art in fact inspired the early Australian aboriginal art of the Bradshaws. Or perhaps the ‘Ubaidians sailed down to NW Australia just to study the 40,000 BC aboriginal art?????
Then, when the Cain-ite culture had reached its peak of sophistication, technologically advanced, but Godless – seducing the Seth-ites: (Genesis 6:2, 11): “Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight, and the earth was filled with violence”, there occurred the great Flood (or Deluge) as archaeologically attested by the Flood evidence throughout Mesopotamia (but still to be properly synchronised amongst the various cities there, Ur, Kish, Shuruppak, etc.) and at Jericho. Whilst professor Plimer and others would admit a Flood (and even a corresponding Ark) that was limited to a part of the Mesopotamian region only, my own Flood model would extend right across the Fertile Crescent, where evidence for severe water erosion and long abandonment of sites would attest to the great Genesis Flood. Later, these major sites (at least) were re-occupied, with eventually the Abramic level. As I wrote recently in my article, “Evidence for the Genesis Flood at Jericho” (http://genesisflood.blog.com/2011/02/10/evidence-for-the-genesis-flood-at-jericho/):
… Pottery Neolithic B [at Jericho], would belong archaeologically to the time of Abram and the Amorites, as determined by Dr. John Osgood, who has nailed the archaeology of En-geddi at the time of Abram (in the context of Genesis 14) to the Late Chalcolithic period, corresponding to Ghassul IV in Palestine’s southern Jordan Valley; Stratum V at Arad; and the Gerzean period in Egypt (“The Times of Abraham”, Ex Nihilo TJ, Vol. 2, 1986, pp. 77-87). This was the time of Abram’s Pharaoh, Abimelech (= Lehabim), archaeologically of the era of Narmer. This historical phase preceded the Early Bronze Age. Courville tells further (op. cit., p. 157):
At Jericho, Early Bronze follows Pottery Neolithic B. As noted previously, the so-called Halafian culture in Mesopotamia and the Ghassulian culture from east of the Jordan Valley are regarded by some scholars as necessarily inserted in the time sequence between Pottery Neolithic B and Early Bronze. The period between Neolithic and Early Bronze is known as Chalcolithic, a name designated to indicate the combined use of copper and stone. ….
From bedrock to this Abramic level saw the passing of only about 2000 years.